Ballroom
Blitz
The 1999/2000 Rock 'n' Roll Yearbook
Rolling Stone (Australia)
By Craig Mathieson
Over the past year, Daniel Johns has outgrown his eating disorder, shrugged
off an Apprehended Violence Order, rocked most of the planet
and bought the car of his dreams. So how come he's still not
happy?
RIGHT NOW, SITTING BACKSTAGE AFTER soundcheck, he is Daniel Johns. Later in
the evening, when the lights go down and the capacity audience
of 8,000 start screaming, he will appear on the stage of Melbourne's
Flinders Park as Daniel from silverchair. These two versions
of the same person have spent 1999 learning to live with each
other as the Newcastle trio spent much of the year touring
Australia, Europe, America in support of their third album,
Neon Ballroom. It's a complicated relationship. Daniel
from silverchair puts Daniel Johns in the public eye, where
he feels uneasy. But Daniel from silverchair also sells the
albums which satisfies Daniel John's self-belief in his songwriting
and quietly fierce ambition. And it's Daniel Johns who writes
the songs that fuel Daniel from silverchair. Both sides of
his personality swing back and forth, relinquishing the upper
hand.
"Daniel's in better spirits, but in social terms he's taken another step back,"
notes drummer Ben Gillies of his childhood best friend. "Any
chance not to be around people or get back to his room at
the hotel, he'll do it." In fact everyone in silverchair is
in better spirits compared to the band which spent 1997 touring
their second album, Freak Show. It even got to the
point where in the final two months on the road, "whenever
we had a show I hated it," recalls Johns. The means to end
this, both collectively and individually, are varied. There
is, for example, golf. "Please include that I got an eagle,"
requests Gillies. ("Did Gillies tell you about his eagle?"
bassist Chris Joannou later asks.) The rhythm section play
the game, along with touring keyboardist Sam Holloway, whose
presence, both on and off the golf course, has provided some
levity to proceedings. They wear shirts with collars, but
baulk at knee-high socks with shorts. "I'm not the golfing
type," Johns adds with a sly smile. Then there are fireworks,
which all the band members loaded up on after a visit to an
Adelaide pyro emporium. There's also the fact that long after
your Helmet obsession fades it's OK to admit that you like
Madonna (Gillies again). And there's the fact that Savage
Garden diverted the spotlight from silverchair and now Killing
Heidi are the band with the hot teenage singer. So for Daniel
Johns, who answered the following questions, 1999 was another
momentous year. He plotted silverchair's first truly cohesive
and enduring album, explained openly that he had written it
in the wake of suffering from a serious eating disorder, became
a compelling live performer, bought a car named Kompressor,
had a deranged fan unjustly attempt to take out an Apprehended
Violence Order on him - and he had a brief orbit around Planet
Imbruglia at the ARIAS. For better or worse, he notes, "There's
always something that keeps me on edge."
When you released Neon Ballroom you talked about honesty, both in songs and how you discussed them. What effect did that honesty have?
It had side-effects, but nothing I can complain about because
it was self-imposed. I expected a lot of it. As far as doing
it again I'm not sure. I'll always be honest in songs I write,
but with this I opened the gates a little on how much I exposed
to the public.
Exposed how?
Exposing myself through the songs and through the interviews
with the media. I definitely don't regret it. I wanted to
do it and it helped me personally on a lot of levels. I got
to vent a lot of feelings.
Is it strange to be in the position where people - both close to you and strangers - are worried about you?
No, it's a little bit weird but it was worse before I was
open about what I was dealing with. It was worse when no one
knew and everyone was sceptical as to what was going on in
my life. It felt really intrusive and I felt really angry
at everyone for not leaving me alone. Now people know what
the deal with me is, although I still haven't exposed anything
and I wouldn't because that leads to more discomfort. But
before this I was constantly being asked if I had AIDS. And
it wasn't a little thing, it was a bit deal in Newcastle.
Everyone thought I had AIDS. At least people can be worried
for the right reasons now.
Are you more at ease in Newcastle now?
Yes, it's been a lot better lately. But to be honest we haven't
been there long enough to know. At least now I can walk down
the streets and not be abused.
When you have next year off will you live somewhere else?
I'd like to stay in Newcastle, depending on how comfortable
my lifestyle could be. It looks like it could be good to stay
at home, although we still have people camping outside the
house. I think people have accepted me whereas before they
didn't know how to deal with me because Newcastle is a very
straight down line place.
Do you enjoy screwing with that mentality?
I still do like to fuck with people's perceptions about what
I do, but I never lie about anything. With the make-up, that's
not to get people to perceive me in a different way, it's
just what I am. Whether I was in a rock band or not I'd be
the same person.
Neon Ballroom was your first album where your honesty involved someone else - a person who was involved in your life. Did you ever get feedback from that person?
Not really because a lot of the time when I mentioned feeling
hatred or negative thoughts it's not towards one person, it's
towards a group or a sub-culture or a type of person who has
excluded me or done something to in the past. As for personal
relationships, a lot of it was a fantasy that I'd hoped for
or wished for in my mind and directed it.
I get the impression that between Freak Show and Neon Ballroom you experienced a lot of things which rounded out your life?
Definitely. Leaving school had a big impact on me, because
it was the only place I could go and maintain normality and
feel a part of something and not be Daniel from silverchair.
Once that safety blanket had gone I felt uncomfortable about
only being Daniel from silverchair. So I had to learn to come
to terms with that. In a lot of ways I did, in a lot I didn't.
Is it getting easier to deal with people without worrying about the "Daniel from silverchair" persona?
In some ways it is easier. There's certain personal things
that I'm dealing with that have nothing to do with other people,
that make it harder for me to talk to people. At least now
I'm comfortable with the fact that people won't appreciate
my need for personal space. I don't hate them for that anymore,
which was totally wrong.
Did you ever act on that hatred?
One time I was in Newcastle and some group of jocks in a car
were yelling out this shit, I can't even remember what, saying
they were going to kill me and stuff, so I picked up this
rock and threw it at their window and smashed it. Then I was
really scared and I ran because there was five of them and
I was just in Year 11. They turned the car around, I could
hear them. I hid in the back of a grandstand. I could hear
them - "where's that little faggot?" In some ways it was exciting,
but I don't think I'll do it again.
If you meet someone who interests you, do you worry that your life interferes in their perceptions of you?
Exposing some of my problems was good, but it does make it
hard to talk to people in a person to person level because
they think they already know everything about me. They don't.
You meet someone and they instigate conversation and then
they stop and expect you to do the same, but they don't understand
they know a lot of me and I know nothing about them. But that
is something I'm getting more comfortable with.
Tell me about your new car, the Kompressor?
I got it in April because I had all this money and I had nothing
to do with it. I have no expensive tastes, I just want records
and books and videos. My accountant told me I had to buy something
expensive for a tax deduction so I was like going out with
Dad and we were trying all these fast cars. We drew it out
for so long because we were enjoying it so much. We'd rock
up, looking like bums, and they'd be like, "You can't afford
this car". Then some young salesman would see me and he'd
run over to the manager and all of a sudden we'd be cruising
around in these cars. In the end I settled on a (magnetic
blue two-seat) Mercedes, which I liked, but I got custom-made
false-leather interior.
And was the title "Kompressor" already on there?
Yes, it's that crazy German engineering.
After soundcheck in Newcastle you mentioned that you got in the car whenever you wanted to drive fast. Just how fast?
When we test-drove it I hit 180kph, but I don't usually drive
silly. But that day I had the urge and I wasn't even near
the end of the gearing.
What other forms of release do you have apart from music?
Poetry. Whenever I'm feeling really congested I like to write
poetry. Sometimes at the end of it I'm really happy with it,
other times I'm more frustrated looking at the words. But
when it pays off it's good, like a therapy session where you
don't have to talk.
Why use the monologue from "Taxi Driver" as the intro tape at concerts?
Parts of it relate towards my feelings about making Neon
Ballroom. (Robert De Niro's Travis Bickle) talks about
doing 100 push-ups and getting in shape for what he has to
do. The whole monologue is about self-discipline and it just
felt right.
Ultimately, Travis Bickle's only form of expression is violence: do you ever wonder what you'd be like without your creative voice?
It's hard to imagine, but sometimes your frustration gets
to the level where one more step and you don't know what you
would do. But I've never been in the position where I've violently
lost it. I've lost it a few times, but not violently.
What other films are important to you?
Leaving Las Vegas has had the most profound effect on me,
ever. I watched it when I was dealing with my eating disorder
and the whole self-imposed pain and suffering, the self-destruction.
I could never watch that movie again, because at the time
it helped open my eyes a lot towards self-expression and the
writing of this album.
Did you know what the subject matter was the first time you watched it?
I had no idea, I just really liked Nicolas Cage and Wild at
Heart. I assumed it would be a fucked-up crazy Nicolas Cage
movie. I started watching it and by the end I just had my
head in my hands, going "Fuck..."
Did you identify with Elizabeth Shue's character, someone who was unconditional in their love for this self-destructive person?
Not really, because I didn't want anyone to be around me,
I didn't want anyone to see. I could relate to the movie on
so many different levels. I wasn't an alcoholic, but I could
relate to the self-destruction and the isolation even when
people want to help you, and the stubbornness.
Have you found new positives about being Daniel from silverchair?
There are upsides, but none of them are new. I know I could
do things the general public couldn't, like jumping a huge
line at a nightclub by saying "I'm Daniel from silverchair".
But as far as that stuff's concerned I've always been against
it. I try hard to be a member of the general public like my
friends. I stand in the line at a club and wait, I don't want
to put myself on a pedestal.
Going to clubs with friends is probably something people don't associate with the Daniel from silverchair persona.
I don't go to clubs often, but once a month I'll go out with
my friends and do what you do when you're out with a group
of friends. It's good to have a release and get fucked-up
at times and go all night and end up back at a friend's house
at 12 noon fucking wired. It's good to have those memories
and stories for when you're older. Until 12 months ago I didn't
have them.
Are you writing now?
I've written a little bit on our break, three or four things.
Anything surprising?
Well from now on I'll always explore new things, but nothing
surprising because I've pretty much got the next 10 years
planned out in my head. I'm not following any trends, I've
got these things I want to do and I don't care if they don't
fit with the current genres.
Ten years?
Musically I have the next three of four albums planned.
Can you outline the next album?
Not really.
But is there a next album?
Well we're still talking about what we'll do at the end of
the year, so I'm purely speaking in terms of what I'll write,
not what I'm releasing or we'll release as a band. It's just
what I want to follow personally, whether they'll be solo
or silverchair or soundtrack albums we haven't planned.
You appear to have more options now.
It's important to expand. It's like getting a promotion, it
keeps things fresh. If we just kept releasing silverchair
albums for another 20 years it would get stale. And once you
do that people can see falseness.
What intrigues you right now?
Writing poetry. I've got books at home just full of words.
Would you publish them?
I've thought about it, but I wouldn't water it down.
Is the poetry rawer than your lyrics?
Just more poetic, it's a lot more free-flowing because you
don't have to follow any music. There's more words, less guidelines.
How should people picture you next year when silverchair's in recess?
I'll be doing a lot of self-help things. Next year is pretty
much planned out in terms of getting to a level of happiness
where I don't have to take anti-depressants and can be more
emotionally stable. Hopefully that will be gratifying as anything
we've done musically.
[Thanks to Helena for the transcript.]